PacesetterSucks.com

From: ex-employee Cranberry
E-Mail: Private
Subject: visitor feedback #25

Where are you from: If you can get a group of ex-employees together we will put you in our law-suit.

I feel bad for the customer who said he need parts. Maybe home-depot would carry something suitable. Without Pacesetter offices being opened. I doubt he could even get in touch with a service line.

From: carnberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Cal Kid

I have gone to different functions in pittsburgh where Dan Oranoto has taken part of. I am to trying to e-mail him as well. No response yet, I send one everyday. He is a very busy man.

Does anyone know if there are law-suits in San Antonio.
or in Omaha. That reporter Sam Spatter wants to know ASAP.

The only numbers that work currently on Madden's cell phone but guess what? He ain't answering.

From: J.K's Spirit
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Tid Bits

How pathetic. Perhaps the guys in charge can sell air travel and discounted hotel stays in Vegas when this is over and done with. Just think of all the opportunity the EXECUTIVES had right in their lap. People want to be led, Pacesetter's big brass just can't/didn't seem to understand.
"Let's see, we can tell them about the services, yeah that's the ticket, the services brought us down." No here's another good one, "The mileage is tanking us," blah blah blah

Let's see: Vp Executive of Sales
National Sales Managers
Regional Sales Managers
District SAles Managers
Office Sales Managers
Assistant sales Managers
Senior Field Trainers

Who over see's all these sales manager(s)?
Who then manages the sales people in the field ?
Maybe the big, "Customer Service" banner/poster they got hanging on some wall. Do they still even have a customer service banner or have they got rid of the customer service department. Why in the world would someone who paid top dollar for their product expect some sort of customer service ? I almost forget its them darn customers who are sinking them. Ever why they have so many services ? Maybe they can move some of that sale power into the customer service office, you may have to have a phone line installed but its a small cost to keep the customers satisfied.

I'm living off a trust fund,

"Direct Sale"

From: chris
E-Mail: Private
Subject: reply #3

My Pacesetter story is identical to your sons. Almost word for word. For a moment I thought you were my mother. I have also been threatened by the debt collector. I refuse to pay. See this link, it has some great info on crooked debt collectors.

http://www.creditinfocenter.com/rebuild/debt_validation.shtml

From: ex-employee cranberry
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter Blog

After what they did to everyone, what use to be an ordinary web-site of Pacestter has turned into a Famous Pacesetter Blog. It's great how much feedback comes into this site.

Thanks to you, whoever you are. for starting this website.

Admin's Response: I'm just glad it has been able to help.

From: OBSERVER FROM THE PAST. "HELP ME UNDERSTAND"
E-Mail: Private
Subject: People Are Our Most Valubale Asset

I think once upon a time this was the co. motto.
From what I hear the company has a few loyal souls left
attempting to stand by their company. Its come to my attention
through many sources they haven't been paid as well.
I wonder if the Executives know who they have left standing. Give the Executives a little more time those left standing will also he hurrled over. I'd be willing to bet that right under their noses with the few people they have left the lunatics could still turn a cool million. Oh yeah, being paid is also a driving force. Oh yeah, being treated with professional courtesy is also a driving force, and oh yeah
hard to go to their customer base for more business in a pinch like they have in the past, that customer "UNSERVICE" will get you all the time. Maybe, Just Maybe running a big business requires more then they can bring to the table.
In closing, what is really shameful the unwillingless to rally their people in hard times, why ? Somewhere along the way they must have forgotten people (customers, employess) are the most valuable asset in the direct sales game.
wb

From: cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: newspaper ads (Hiring)

It doesn't (surprise) me that they think they our capable of running this company under another name. What shocks the hell out of me is Larry Krempaski has a voice-mail box with know indication of a company name to leave a messege too.
Boy!!! Their off to a good start. It just goes to show you what idiots they really our. Their still trying to diquise themselves.

Pennysaver has ads for marketing with a 1-800 number. And they all have Larry's voice on them. f--k-y-u Larry, get a real job.

From: unknown
E-Mail: Private
Subject: New name ALTIMA

Please dont shame the Nissan corporation by using their name as yours. you already stole The relentless persuit of perfection from them. Why not call your new(OLD) company something that truly applies, Like (We screwed our last customers and employees windows and dooors.) Bettter yet just do whats right and don't open at all. Clean the mess up from your last efforts. Before you try again remember all the people you stole from and lied to. Remember Gary God will punish you for the way you are treating people. So before you walk in that church on Sunday you better do some soul searching as to whom you conduct business with. Iskra and Madden are not known for their ethics only their greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Iskras company was such a success why isnt Pacesetter #1. Because he got lucky!!!!! Take away that big name (Retail Giant you know the one, Starts with an S.) And he would still be a has been rocker from the sixties. Like his music he was a one hit wonder in business as well. The man upstairs will punish all of you for your selfish acts of greed. Greed by the way is one of the seven sins. You will fail in this effort.

I hope you learn your lesson

A very ex employee

From: private
E-Mail: Private
Subject: crooks

It sounds like Tierra Portfolio Services should be contacting Gary(is a crook) Iskra, Mickey mouse ( I mean Mickey Madden) Gary F-*&^^&, I mean Gary Kluck, and Joe (shit in your face) Schoutte. They would stay busy the rest of the year trying to collect all the money they owe to employees and customers. I just wonder how many tubes of KY jelly they have used so far.

From: CB
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Tierra Portfolio Services

Hello,

I am sorry to hear of the way pacesetter has screwed you all. I am no exception. I was employed by pacesetter for 3 months (as a “factory rep”). In those 3 months I drove over 20k miles and worked 60hr weeks. In the end I had "made" about $2400. In hindsight it seems impossible that I believed the pacesetter dream. I'm glad I have a conscience and didn’t screw people like I had been taught to do. Anyway, I have been recently contacted by “Tierra Portfolio Services” about a debt of $1100 to pacesetter (“commission draw”). For any of you that have also been contacted by these people please see this site, ( http://www.creditinfocenter.com/rebuild/debt_validation.shtml ) I have found no proof that this company is legit. It is registered nowhere that I have been able to find. IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL BEFORE THEY RECEIVE ONE RED CENT FROM ME. Any company affiliated with pacesetter in any way CANNOT BE TRUSTED. Please do not waste your hard earned money by paying these scammers.

May pacesetter burn in hell.

From: pma
E-Mail: Private
Subject: no reason for concern

Its funny how we put our trust in those in charge and all they did was lie to us and tell us its fine. Next time you feel the need to play big shot do not tell us there is no reason for concern. Lets see bounced checks, no product,no leads and oh yea you do not even have the balls to mention when we are going to see a paycheck. Wake up and smell reality. By the way do not ever play the religion card as a way to justify your plan. Sleeping well

From: Dont call me I'll call you
E-Mail: Private
Subject: New company

Attention to all that has been f@#&*% by Pacesetter:

rumor has it Pacesetter will be opening up in July under the new name of Altima. This is your chance for pay back for everyone that has been f%$*&% by Pacesetter.

Don't you dare call me back to work-I know your new name and you f&*^%$ me. I want to f^&% you back!

Sincerely,

You ain't f&%^$%@ me no more!

From: Tamara Phipps
E-Mail: Private
Subject: kitchen cabinet refacing

I guess I got lucky and only lost my deposit of $650. I think the company is still succeeding because they give the lowest bid on their cabinet refacing. I signed the contract (said I'd pay cash at the end of the job, I think that was lucky also-no financing contract). They called in June and said they were coming on a certain Friday, I took the day off of work, but they never showed up. And I haven't heard from them since! My frequent calls have all been to voice mails-can never reach a real person. So I learned an expensive $650 lesson!!!! Has anybody out there talked to a real person from the company after getting into problems?

From: cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter Number

This number is Larry Krempaski's voice-mail.
1-800-242-1780

It's his voice. And he sure doesn't say HI THANKS FOR CALLING PACESETTER!!!

what an idiot.

From: cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Response (Jason)

Supposively, Larry Krempasky still is at Pacesetter, He is hiding out with the MOB SQUAD in the Cranberry Office.
I agree he was definitely a well wrapped package. His smile
really got on my nerves. And he did think he new everything.

From: Steve
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Response to #126

Sorry.

From: Steve
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Response to #127

I was a sales manager in St. Cloud for 2 years. Give me a call and I will tell you how to help your parents out. 320-290-8488. Thanks

From: Jason
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Kerpanski

Does that moron Larry Kerpanski still work for pacesetter. I never did like him. All of his ideas were pathetic, no wonder the company is falling apart, with people like him.

From: cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Cranberry News

So it seems (Iskra-Madden-Aloe) our hiding out in the
Cranberry Office. Their is only one manager-senior-and 2 employees with the vision of being a manager someday!!! What the f--k.

Channel 11 News in Pittsburgh will air their story July 4th
2005. Which is Monday. Sit back relax and enjoy the news.

Save the best for last: Cranberry Installers our reported seem in Wheeling drinking beer on the job. Poor Boys!!!!
Our you stress about your current job status??? Inquiring
minds want to know.

From: wilson
E-Mail: Private
Subject: leaking windows cracking discolored caulk - office left town

My parents got the Pacesetter windows installed last fall. After many repeat installations and mistakes called on they have left town. The large picture window leaks water into the room, the caulk is discoloring and cracking, (besides them using black on brown windows), out of plumb, unlevel, wrong window ordered. What else could happen once they said they got it right. The business office has left the building in St. Cloud MN. Leaving my retired parents with unanswered phone calls, visit to a empty office. They too are limited income eldery and need justification for the poor workmanship, labor installation, and unanswered phone calls. My father has Alzheimer's, quad heart bypass, parents do not need this stress in their lives. Thanks to Walmart in St. Cloud MN allowing Pacesetter to set up a booth in their store, my parents are now another victim. Any help is appreciated.
Looking for help in this matter. Any phone numbers or

From: an ex sucker
E-Mail: Private
Subject: the motto

They THINK the worst
They EXPECT the worst
They ARE the worst
The power of negative thinking has enabled the "top of the line" people the screw people far more than was imaginged, blah, blah, blah.... You all get my point

From: Earl Thomasoni
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Phil/Harley Save Us!

What a joke. You've heard of Planned Parenthood the non-profit agency. How about Planned Bankruptcy the for massive profit agency. Any complaints can be directed to Phil and Harley at their new lawyers web address Didwe Milkem & Howe Attorneys at Law. Bankrupt allright, morally that is. Signed, The Unknown Comic

From: Pacesetter Hater
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Response to #111 and more

#111-Feel yah! But of all people to be asking for a hand (money) you're asking the wrong people. Remember we're behind in all our bills or just straight out hit the ditch. After all we haven't been paid for how many weeks of work? We are all in the same boat. Maybe we should get our own website for donations to pacesetter employee's that got screwed out of months pay. This is for the guys at Pacesetter that screwed us--Get ready you are next---you aren't going to get away with it! You will either have to pay us or go to jail and or h...! Numbers where they can be reached. 1-866-508-0451---1-800-228-9274 or 616-940-0685 ext. 251, 225,241

From: got money
E-Mail: Private
Subject: check is in the mail

When i see kluck trade in his mercedes for a focus then i will know that he is broke. Dont tell me you are owed money to and still drive your mercedes. All you need to do is payyour employess the money we are owed and most of this goes away. Next will be all the customers down payments you have not retured.

From: Does it matter??
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Phone #

Local #: (If it's still connected) 616-940-0685
800 #: 800-567-0178 Ext. 225, 241, or 229.

From: Brad Stout
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter

I am an attorney in Michigan who has a client who paid Pacesetter $7,500 in February for an awning that is no longer manufactured. We are no longer able to even communicate with Pacesetter as there is no one answering their phones and messages are not returned. Can you provide me the phone number and address for their General Counsel?

From: Q.C.
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Kicking Myself

My biggest problem; I'm a dedicated worker & never a boatrocker. I didn't want to believe that the company I've hitched EVERYTHING to was going to do all the things they've done. All the signs were there, waving wildly in front of my face, one right after another, long before the lies began to appear in the form of official memos.

I'm kicking myself for not having a 'Plan B' in place. And as a result, me & my family are broke & homeless, w/ car taken away, and with no final paycheck to get a fair start. (Gary Kluck-Kluck is not returning my phone calls)

One good thing I've learned from all this: It's just like having both hands in a cast & having to take a piss. - You really find out who your friends are.

I'm moving on while fighting for the money I'm owed !!!

From: fed up
E-Mail: Private
Subject: #110

To: Rigge #110

Aren't you the fool. Still sitting there in an office working your butt off for a company that butt f%$#@! you.
Like getting it that way? Have you no other choice. You have a lot of confidence in a company that has messed up alot of peoples lives, and your's. You must be one of them their talking about, not wrapped too tight. Sounds like your still looking for glory from pacesetter oh oh excuse me what is their new name. Don't you think that all these people that got screwed by pacesetter won't get the word out to the public that they are previously pacesetter? Dare they call back ex-employees that are now laid off. Now wouldn't that be screwed up! Those people will be back with a vengence so down goes the new named company. Get what they deserve. Rigge too many lives were destroyed from this. Get your head out of you a..! See the light!

From: b
E-Mail: Private
Subject: pacesetters owners suck

its true

From: Unknown Comic
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Have it your way

To the higher ups, better known as the 4 stooges (Iskra, Aloe, Madden, Kluck). I heard through the grapevine that Burger King is looking for a few good men. I also heard that you could have it your way and not worry about lying. However, I don't think you guy's will ever work in your hometown again, except for maybe Hometown Buffet ;). If you can make it through the background check. Did I say CHECK? What I meant to say was I have a serious disease called "MYFUNDSARELOW". I need backlog installed so I can pay you with a jimmy check. BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE !!!!!!
By the way do you have any copiers or fax machines to sell former sales managers? I heard there's a run on paper. HELP, WHERE"S THE SCHRAGERS WHEN YOU NEED THEM?
Phil / Harley can you hear me?
I just receoverd from another disease.
The disease was anal glaucoma. I couldn't see my ass working anymore for this $%*()^* up company.
Until next time I bid you adieu.....

Love the unknown comic

From: alive and kicking
E-Mail: Private
Subject: 1000 employees against 3-4 old bitches, mick/gary/gary/and some other fuck

the company has a new direction of just windows and tex-cote coatings.

it ashame that a big company like TEX-COTE OF AMERICA IN LOS ANGELES

AND IN FLORIDA, AS WELL AS, REPUBLIC WINDOWS IN CHICAGO, would tie

themselves into theses old bitches. 1000 plus old employees to see that

these old bitches never succeed.

From: memyself&I
E-Mail: Private
Subject: this is for you steve

WELL STEVE IM SO SORRY THAT YOU GOT OUT IN THE BIG PACESETTER WEB,SO I WAS READING YOUR STORY AND SAID SURE WHY NOT GIVE STEVE WHAT HE WANTS SO HERE YOU GO STEVE HAD A BALL.1-800-567-0178,EXT 251-240-225-229-258-252-253-THESE ARE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU NEED TO CONTACT ANYONE AT THE GRAND RAPIDS OFFICE.HAVE A GREAT DAY STEVE AND IF THIS WAS SOME HELP SEND ME A FEED BACK, HAVE A GREAT DAY. FROM YOUR FEED BACK FRIEND

From: Pacesettersucks.com reader
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Visitor feedback #111

To answer your question, please read "Visitor feedback #'s 78 and 80.

From: Ex employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: pitty party

Come on all of you ex employees. go forward in life. be greatful that you no longer work in a sweat shop for a bunch of greedy people.Remember you were looking for a job when you found the band of thieves known as Pacesetter. Iskra is going to always have his money, Pacesetter is a corporation and personal wealth can.t be touched. I here about homeless people, not making payments etc. The reality is you have talent and obviously a great work ethic. utilize those qualities where it is appreciated. I to was unemployed. The best thing that ever happened to me. I now have a great career with a great company that only works me 40 hours and 4 days. My money has increased and my stress level has decreased. Thats a home run!!!!! Also I am already in a 401k, Have full medical, Dental and vision. 5 sick days a year and 3 weeeks vacation the first year. I guess the moral of the story is opportunitty comes to those who seek it. Look forward. Do not let the Maddens, Iskras, aloes and Klucks of the world ruin your life. They have no conciense. They DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU. They are egotistacal, self centered selfish people that would not lend you a helping hand if you were dieing on their porch. The key is forget the past, and go on with your life, Im very happy I did!!!!!!!!!! %^&%$%^ Pacesetter.

From: JOHN KILBURN JR
E-Mail: Private
Subject: LEGAL REVENGE OF AN EX-EMPLOYEE

SEND ME A SMALL DONATION TO HELP FINANCE MY TRIP TO PITTSBURGH PA THIS SUMMER AND I WILL FIND THE FAMOUS "3" MONSTERS THAT HAVE DESTROYED ALL OF OUR LIVES!!!
I am just days away from being homeless. Homeless and free to go Pittsbirgh Pa. Losing my wife Annette and 2 children Lauren and Erica, our home, 2 cars, one SUV, 2 ATV's, the bank account got closed due to everything bouncing, and all the wonderful stuff/things we have collected throughout the years. Please send something even if it's one dollar. We will be at this address until the first week of July or as soon as the eviction notice is delivered then all mail will be forward to my mothers home in Illinois just a few hours away from ArmPittsburgh. Some of you may find this posting crazy...it may be but look at all the people hurt, possibly thousands are struggling to maintain there home and some are near losing everything. Sometime around the 21st of May Gary was at the Portland Or. Center and bought all of us breakfast after bouncing our pay checks!!!!! Blood money and lies. I will continue to post through local libraries throughout the country and many posting are planned from the Pittsburgh main library between August and September. Right around the grand opening of the "NEW COMPANY" "Optimus or WeatherMaster or whatever BS crap they put on paper. DOES GARY HAVE A FAMILY?
Please send $$$ to;
John Kilburn 2253 Riviera Ct. Hubbard Oregon 97032.

From: Rigge
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Still Here

First, ..Grand Rapids..: Fats, "Got our seats to the Air Show? Dave,"wanna buy an Omega bk?""corn" Mike W, "Disc this weekend?" Hey to Pres, Skip, Christene,Al, EM Tell your mom I said hi, Hi to all GR former employees...Milwaukee..: Tony, How about those Pistons. EG, "advance ck sent ?". ..Minny..:BB,"I'm staying at your cottage" ..Portland..: Thanks to Jim for the going away tune."Taps" ..Sac..: Still with us? Just checking. ..San Antonio..: Holy shit I'm glad I don't live in S.A. With the breaking news live feed and all. ..Pittsburg..: Larry, have a nice vacation. Gary, Mark, Mickey, and Gary, Send us some good news, any news. The Dark Tower has been too quiet.....Response to feedback #107 They are throwing out a few names mostly incorrect to throw you off track see feedback #62 which has a name on legal documents. Response to feedback #92 Contrary to popular belief even managers checks have bounced.
Finally why I'm here until the lights go out.....A complex subject. Starting with the fact that I've paid the bills for several years with this job, met quite a few interesting personalities, and have illusions of grandeur that I have helped somehow in this difficult transition. But lastly if Grand Rapids comes alive again,: we just hit the numbers and corporate leaves us alone. If you take ownership in your position you feel responsible for what goes on and want to see it through. I can only blame corporate for about 90 percent of recent problems, the rest have come locally. Its funny that a site created for revenge has become a daily noteboard..I bid you all adeau. P.S. The call center here flooded during the last storm.(revenge seekers rejoice) . Everyone else SYS.

From: JOHN A KILBURN JR
E-Mail: Private
Subject: PACESETTER PAYROLL BOUCED CHECK POSSIBLY GONE BANKRUPT

MY PAYROLL CHECK BOUNCED DUE TO INSUFFICIENT FUNDS AND NOBODY IS ANSWERING THE PHONES AT ANY LOCATION NATION WIDE. POSSIBLY WENT BANKRUPT. I NEED INFORMATION AND HELP PLEASE.
CALL SOON MY PHONE MAY BE TURNED OFF SOON SINCE THE CHECK BOUNCED "I GOT STUCK OWE-ING THE BANK" 1200.00+ DOLLARS.
NO $$ TO PAY BILLS. I WILL DEVOTE THE REST OF MY LIFE TRACKING DOWN CEO GARY J ISKRA AND CFO MARK ALOE.
CALL SOON LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK WHAT IS OURS!!!
503-981-5338 JOHN KILBURN JR

From: mike
E-Mail: Private
Subject: name change my ass

You know if i could change my name and start over that would be great. But reality tells me it won,t make a difference, you see guys like iskra, madden, and kluck dont know how to change. They want to change their name try 3 dishonest guys with no regard for employees. How many ways can you lie about when checks are comming. Let me see nobody sent them, we fired the guy who wrote them,amerifirst did not fund,overnight did not go,oh yea we dont have any money in the bank.Do you knpw how many customers have not gotten thier down payments back yet and they cancelled or were a bank reject. And yet they still are trying to sell more business. Why so they can take more down payments and not give it back!!!CROOKS AND THIEVES.

From: cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pacesetter is changing their name> By July 1, 2005 they supposively our going to be called:
Weather Master
of America
products
something to that effect. Won't that be interesting!!!!!
let's see how long it takes for them to sink that ship.

From: grand rapids office
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Poor Pacesetter HA HA HA

Funny how some people can feel grateful to Pacesetter for giving them a job and feel so dedicated for getting screwed and so..... many people got screwed. What size is you bolt or should I say screw. Who can you stand up for a company such as Pacesetter! You are nuts!!! Sure they gave us a job and then turned around and f@%>#* us! You obviously aren't wrapped too tight. IDIOT!! Let them open up under another company name, it will be found and they too will go down. There are too many people out there that got screwed that want to screw them back! After all can't make them feel alone can we?! It takes two to screw..... what goes around comes around. You dare call people back to work under a new company name? Dangerous for Pacesetter or whatever the new name will be.

From: Anonymous
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Labor Board

I have filed with the labor board regarding money Pacesetter owes me. Anybody ever had to do this with another company??? If so... will it get me anywhere or am I pretty much @#!&# out of luck.

From: #@$#!%
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Los Angeles Office Sucks #!@*

Never buy from" PACESETTER COMPANY" So Calif.

From: robert kolberg
E-Mail: Private
Subject: no pay checks / customers not getting their returned checks from cancelled jobs

I WILL ALWAYS DO MY BEST TO SEE THAT THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS RAN BY THESE OWNERS NEVER SUCCEED AGAIN. MISLED CUSTOMERS/REPS ABOUT WHO MFG PRODUCTS AS WELL AS INSTALLATION. INSTALLATION WAS NEVER DONE BY THE COMPANY EMPLOYEES ON CERTAIN JOBS, ALWAYS SUBED-OUT.
CORONA OFFICE TELL'S REPS OF A SOON TO BE NAME CHANGE FOR THE COMPANY, BUT CONTINUE SELLING WITH ALL WARRANTIES AND MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. ALSO A DISTRICT MNGR ACCEPTS CASH FOR LOST SAMPLES, NEVER PAYS COMPANY, TELLS REP I'LL SAVE YOU MONEY THIS WAY. WHO WANTS TO BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE ?
I HOPE NOBODY, KEEP UP THE NEG ON PACESETTER CORP OF AMER.
PEACE OUT.........SHOUT OUT.....

From: Steven Buccigrossi
E-Mail: Private
Subject: They ruined my life

Hi my name is steve i worked for pacesetter in their pittsburgh cranberry location. i got hired in january i was a salesman at first and when i realized that was too much driving and work for what it was worth they offered me a job in Kmart. so i did that for a week or two and then they lost Kmart as a promoter because of their join with Sears, supposedly. so then i decided i would work in the call center in cranberry. i was very successful for them and it seemed that i found something that i honestly didnt mind doing. I got paid every week what i was supposed to. i couldnt complain. then after a few months starting in april i would say, they had started giving employees checks that were being returned as nonsufficient. i never got a bad one. They said it was just hiccup in the company bla bla bla. so then the checks eventually didnt come. this happened in may, they said they would eventually be there. i felt that it was no reason to immediately leave my company just because one check was late. then the next check was late and they never informed us of what was going on just that they would make good on the checks by next wed and thursday and all this bullshit. so then 3 weeks go by we all are ready to leave but desperate for our money. they tell us we are laid off. They still promise us checks. so checks come in the mail for one of the weeks and i paid my bills gratefully and of course, the checks are returned to my bank. so now i am in debt to my bank and i have nothing. i am going to lose my car and cant pay my bills. how about those of pacesetter that have families and children. i cant imagine. well thats my quick story i hope u can post it.

From: steve
E-Mail: Private
Subject: HOW DO I CONTACT PACESETTER CORP?

they have never released a lien on my home. do you have a phone # for them so i can get this take care of? please email me back.
thanks,
steve

From: EX-EMPLOYEE
E-Mail: Private
Subject: FREE E-MAIL ADDRESS

michael.madden@pacesettercorp.com

maloe@maloe.com

gary.iskra@pacesettercorp.com

these our the 3 stooges who run pacesetter.
DROP THEM A LINE!!!!!!!!!!

From: EX-EMPLOYEE
E-Mail: Private
Subject: IN THE GARBAGE!!!!

SENT : fRIDAY MAY 13, 2005 9:58AM
The Payroll previously scheduled for distribution Monday 16 will be delayed due to business slow down and availability of incoming funds as follows. All telemarkerters, canvassers, installers and sales reps pay backs will distributed on Thursday May 19,2005 (excluding management personnel in those departments) Adminstrative, corporate, and all remaining sales, telemarketing and installation management personnel will be distributed on Friday May 20, 2005 We regret this inconvenience but we hope with everyone's effort and better results we will shortly move beyond these difficult financial times. We are close to finalizing our new credit facility which should be in place this next week. I recognize this is difficult for all of us and I appreciate your commitment and understanding during this period. Please communicate to the field this informaion directly to your management teams.
Gary Iskra
President.

This was sent from: Fred Rdedker (fred.redeker@pacesettercorp.com)
SENT: Friday May 13, 2005 9:58am
TO; Cathy Lupomech (e-mail);Dana Hamik (e-mail)
SUBJECT: FW May 16, 2005 Payroll Distribution

ANYONE WISHING TO LEAVE GARY ISKRA A WARM AND GRACIOUS
E-MAIL PLEASE FORWARD TO (mailto:garyiskra@pacesettercorp.com

I AM SHOULD HE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Ben McCall
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Embarassed and ashamed

I began working for Pacesetter in April, 2003. I didn't particularly relish the idea of working on full-commission, but a good friend of mine was working there at the time and seemed to like it okay.

A red-flag should have gone up the instant I walked in the door. I learned a valuable lesson that day--If an employer is trying to talk you into taking the job, instead of you trying to sell yourself to the employer, GET OUTTA THERE!!! But, I needed a job and my best friend worked there, so what the heck.

Everything started innocently enough. Training on the sales methods and learning about the products. Pretty standard stuff. Throughout my training ($300/wk), I noticed that several people quit, and several that were hired the same time as me quit. At this point I was starting to get a little hesitant about my new "career".

When training ended, I set out on my own. Not feeling the least bit prepared. My 2 weeks of training certainly did not have me to the point where I felt confident walking into someone's home to sell them $15,000 worth of windows. But that's exactly what I did. My first lead-$15,000 deal. That, understandably, buoyed my spirits considerably and the commission received from that job was enough to make the job bearable--for awhile.

Summers in Dallas are brutal. 100 degrees + almost everyday and at times very humid. We worked sun-up to sun-down that summer, 6 days a week. The so-called "leads" that the call center gave us every morning were usually garbage. Most of the people either weren't home, or only one of the spouses was at home. Despite all of this, the end of the spring and beginning of summer went well. I was making decent money and I couldn't complain.

Then they switched our sales territories. When I first started, we were working in good neighborhoods. Established, upper-middle class families that were either too stupid to realize these prices were outrageous, or had so much money they didn't care. After a month and a half of this, they moved us to South Dallas. I don't know how much you know about Dallas, but South Dallas is THE bad part of town. Need less to say, sales suffered. Almost to the point of non-existence.

Those are all specifics, now for some generalities.

I put, on average, 300 miles a day on my car. All with no gas or car expense reimbursement.

Several times my sales manager and I had it out over me not selling someone. I simply couldn't bring myself to sell things to someone who could not afford them. The elderly and the poor were favorite targets of Pacesetter when I was employed there.

There were innappropriate relationships between upper-level management in our call center in San Antonio and telemarketers. It was a very unprofessional work environment-Lot's of cursing, lewd comments and general unprofessionalism.

Drinking before sales calls was standard operating procedure. Most days there was a lot of time to kill in between leads. Twice, my assistant manager took me to strip clubs in the middle of the day to help pass the time.

As you know, the Pacesetter program is a 10 step sales pitch. The standing challenge in the office was who could complete the 11th step-with the lady of the household. I won't elaborate further. This had apparently happened a few times. The disrespect that these customers were treated with, behind their backs, was apalling.

I guess the crowning event of the summer was the trip to Midland, TX. My best friend and I were sent 200 miles away for a period of one week in order to do sales calls. We were given $300 each. This was supposed to be adequate for 6 nights stay, plus food and gas expenses while we were there. We ended up sharing a room in a sub-standard motel just so that we would have money left to eat.

We finally got fed up with it and decided to quit. We loaded up all our gear and arrived at the office before out manager did so that we could get everything unloaded and waiting by the door when he got there. By the way, we were the only two sales reps still working out of this office. When he got there and we told him the decision we had made, he became irate. He tried to put us on a guilt-trip by telling us that we were really screwing him and "How could you guys do this to me?" We finally just had to walk out.

There are so many more stories that I could go into. There simply isn't enough space.

Thanks for what you are doing. I truly believe that you are helping people not get mixed up with this company, and that's a good thing.

Thanks, again

From: April Fullerton
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Pacesetter's warranty?

I received a phone call and said yes to finding out about the windows. I had recently purchased my first home and I knew that the windows need to be replaced. They were single paned and moved in the winter month storms. I liked the sales people that came out to show me the product. I liked what I saw, as I was comparing them to windows that have been in the walls since the turn of the century. They did keep out the noise, as promised. They reduced the heat from the blistering summer sun, as promised. I fell in love with the windows, they did what they were ment to do.

The installers where the best. Without Rick here doing the installing I would have left my house half done. I know that most of this area is for really bad stuff and yes I have some complaints but I guess I got most of what was promised to me. I did have a wrong measurement of the screen/storm door with my first order ( 1 large picture window with sliders on each side, I up/down window in the livingroom and 1 window in the kitchen - side slide), they remeasured it and I received it 6 weeks later but it fit perfectly.

Then I ordered windows for the back/upstairs bedroom, 2 side/sliders and one small picture window. On the installation day of those windows we discovered that the picture window was 4 inches to short. So that one had to be re-ordered. Again it took 6 weeks to get but it too was installed.

At the time of purchasing these three new window's I was informed that the company no longer made their own windows but was getting them from another window company and that they were just as good as pacesetter's window but that they would sit on the frame work of the old window. But Rick said that he could take out the entire frame and just replace the whole thing for me, which is what I wanted and he complied.

With this second purchase I felt that a little compensation was due as I had yet another delay of the product ordered caused by the wrong numbers presented for the picture window. I wrote to Ms Beth Grogen to ask for a reduction of $200.00 for compensation. She sent me a letter to sign and she lowered my amount to be paid by $200.00. I had been introduced to this person from my installers from the first go around. Rick said that if I wanted to send a letter of appreciation for Rick and Dan that she would be the person to send it to. I did and they both received $100.00 as an award for a job well done. These two men are great at their jobs and worked long on my house to make sure everything was right and that I was very happy with their work. Pride in your craft is a wonderful thing to observe, they are great and no matter where they end up the business that hires them will be better for it. Any way I am skipping ahead of myself.

I re-financed my home to lower the interest rate and to pay off my bills (pacesetter included) so I called Steve (the mouth/smiling/bs artist) and told him to send Rick back out to finish up the house, five more windows and we would be all done. Once again a window was measured wrong. So I sent Beth another letter with on avail. I called pacesetter to speak to her as Rick was coming out with the new window and I needed to pay for the windows, (90 day same as cash contract)and I was told that Ms Grogen no longer worked for pacesetter, she had retired. But the man (sorry I don't remember his name) said he would drop $200.00 from the bill as well. So I signed that paper and paid $200.00 less for this latest contract.


The problem that I am having with pacesetter is this, one window is broken (by the installer - opps!!! no one is perfect) but no response to my question - where is my window???? During this period of where is it, I discover that the Redding California company is no longer. I keep calling the 1-800 number and they are real nice but I still haven't heard when the window will be here. If I can't get the warranty work done then the warranties that I have paid for on all of these wonderful windows isn't worth spit. I would love to go after the company for half of the balance of my purchases/price if there isn't any warranty. Any one know any attorneys that would love to take on a giant? I'll climb on board.

Thanks for listening, hopefully something can be done for all of us. April

From: unknown
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Its useless people

Hello people we will never see any monies from this company again so i dont know why people still work for them?????? Well as a longterm employee of 10 years i can tell you if they file chapter 11 we will not see any monies from this company. We all need to get on with our lives, and find new jobs. You have the experience of working under extreme working habits so i think you can do anything.... Good luck people.

From: Rick Oakes
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Not paid yet

I have finally tired of waiting for the company to send my check(s) in the mail. I have filled out an initial claim on-line with the labor board for lost wages and expenses. I am sure that there will be some sort of interview to follow. Not sure how it works in other states but in California you can lookup the labor board on line and download the appropriate forms and vist your local labor board office. I really did not want it to come to this but I am at the end of my rope.
PS. To the person that mentioned a class action lawsuit, I definately would be interested but am not familiar with how to pursue. I also know of several former customers (now friends) who might be interested.

From: now what
E-Mail: Private
Subject: rumor is

According to the truck driver for republic this is thier last truck to calif and on july 1 sac and corona will be closed. So if any of you are still there be careful and start interveiwing and watch your payroll. Just because you got a check does not mean its good

From: Labor commission veteran
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Unpaid commissions/salaries

Folks, just go to your local Labor commission. They will get your money plus penalties. I can't believe how many people out there don't know what their rights are?????????
Don't act like a bunch of people that majored in "snack bar". You have two reactions: Fight or flight. Which one are you?

From: Moneyless
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Paychecks

Called Grand Rapids office on Tuesday, June 7th and was promised by James Wurm that a check was forthcoming the following Wednesday or Thursday. On Monday, June 13th when no check had come,called again and this time was told by James that no check was in the mail and he didn't know when another check would be issued or "IF" one would be issued. He said he is "in the dark" just like everyone else.

If this is true then can anyone tell me why these people still continue to work there? They (Sups and Mgrs) must be getting paid. Surely they are not so stupid as to believe that the same thing will not happen to them as what has happened to all the rest of us. I am thinking very seriously of filing a law suit against them and taking them to court to recover my losses. I have also contacted the Department of Labor and filed a complaint for loss of wages. These people are crooks and need to be dealt with as you would any other crook! Has anyone else given any thought to a class action suit against the company?

From: STILL NO PAY CHECK
E-Mail: Private
Subject: WILL YOU PAY MY BILLS

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DID.(NOT)YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO NOT HAVE A CHECK COME TO YOU FOR OVER ONE MONTH AND YOU CAN SIT IN YOUR BIG FANCY HOUSES AND DRIVE YOUR NICE CARS AND YOUR BIG BOATS,WHY WE SIT AND WAIT FOR YOU TO SEND US A CHECK,PULL YOUR HEADS OUT AND SEND US THE MONEY!!WE WORKED OR ASS OFF FOR YOU AND THIS IS HOW YOU ACT,COME ON MAN.I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A JOB AND THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING OUT THERE.WELL UNLESS YOU SELL YOUR SOLE TO THE DEVIL.AND I WILL NEVER DO THAT.ONLY CORP F@#%$ WILL DO THAT.MAYBE IF YOU BRING BACK THE OLD OWNERS THEY WILL MAKE IT SHINE AGAIN AND PAY US ALL AT ONCE,AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY BOB IS STILL WORKING AND DIANE AND MIKE AND JIM AND MARK.WHY DO THEY HAVE A JOB AND WE DONT???HOW FARE IS THAT.IF ANYONE READS THIS AND THINKS THE WAY IS DO SEND AND FEED BACK AND LET ME KNOW HOW YOU FEEL,I WANT EVERY ONE TO CALL THE NEWS AND TELL THEM YOUR STORY AND HOW THIS HAS GIVING YOU PROBLEMS AND HOW WE WANT THIS PROBLEM HANDLE.THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY TREAT PEOPLE.ALL I WANT IS MY PAYCECK AND THAT IS ALL I WANT.YOU HAVE TO FEEL BAD FOR NOT SENDING US OUR CHECKS.I WOULD FEEL LIKE DIRT IF I DID THIS TO YOU.SO JUST SIT BACK AND REALY THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO HURT PEOPLE AND LOOK AT YOUR FAMILY AND THINK IF THIS WAS ME HOW WOULD I FEED MY KIDS AND PAY MY BILLS,REACH DOWN IN YOUR HEART AND GRAB THAT FUZY FEELING AND GOD WILL SHOW YOU THE WAY,JUST SEND US OUR CHECK.PLEASE AND GOD WILL FORGIVE ALL OF YOU,HAVE A GREAT DAY,AND MAKE SURE YOU CLEARL YOUR MIND BEFOR YOU GO TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT.THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY, YOUR LAYED OFF FRIEND NO CHECK

From: PRIVATE
E-Mail: Private
Subject: PACESETTER DOES SUCK

I worked for Pacesetter for 4 months in 2004 and I can tell you they do SUCK. If anything goes wrong they want you to ignore the problem. Sales Reps that have an off week are coerced into taking an employee draw (loan) that will be deducted from future commissions. The problem is they NEVER take the deduction so you are stuck in a state of constantly owing the company money. Like I said I left the company after 4 months and in my last week I made two good sales where I should have made commissions to cover what was left on my draw. I asked my Sales Manager to make sure that it was covered so that when I left we were settled. The Sales Manager said that they would send me a notice if I owed anything, and nothing came. Now A YEAR AND A HALF LATER I get a letter from a collection agency threatening to ding my credit if I do not pay it back. I was told that Pacesetter was sold and the new owners went bankrupt. Now ALL sales reps that owed in their draws have to pay up RIGHT AWAY.

THIS SUCKS........

From: ex ex ex employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: I WANT MY PAYCHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wELL ITS BEEN 3 WEEKS NOW AND THERE STILL IS NO PAYCHECKS,
WHAT LET ME GUESS??

MARK ALOE'S WORDS ARE " IN DUE TIME "

From: ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: mickey madden has got in going on ( not for long )

feed-back from sat june 4th,2005

HOW THE H--LL CAN HE HAVE IT GOIN ON, THAT BOY IS A THUG FROM GARFIELD. HE TREATS EMPLOYEES WITH NO RESPECT. AS LONG AS HE HAS MONEY NOTHIN ELSE MATTERS. WELL THE SAD THING IS
WHAT COMES AROUND
GOES AROUND........

From: Robert F. Smith
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Notary Service

I am a certified loan signing agent (i.e., Notary Public). I made the mistake of offering my Notary Public services to Pacesetter for a very modest fee. I did "four" notaries for Pacesetter dating back to January 2005 thru May 2005 and to date, I have not been paid my measley $205.00 traveling notary service fee for my service.

Please note I have made serveral call to Pacesetter's Corporate office in Sacramento regaring my unpaid notary service fee, I have yet to receive a return phone call from Pacesetter's and/or their accounts payable department.

If there are any other notaries out there thinking of providing notary service for Pacesetter, you better read my story first. You too, may get stiffed!!!

From: EX-EMPLOYEE
E-Mail: Private
Subject: post gazette pittsburgh newpaper

according the post-gazette in the wednesday newspaper.
Pacesetter is coming to the steel building. And with them
being their it will bring 80 jobs to pittsburgh.

BOY!!! Won't they be an eye-sore to downtown pittsburgh.
now everybody can witness their business behavior. and in the process destroy more peoples lives and their credtibility.

If I was the state and new of their past I wouldn't give them a dime. Just a one-way ticket to ----.

Guess it's time to write a letter!!!!!!

From: Cranberry ex-employee
E-Mail: Private
Subject: no more $$$$$$$$$$$$$

According to the Cranberry Office, IT"S MONDAY and we should be getting a check in the mail..... If you attempt to go collect or find out any information. be prepared to knock on the doors. The slime that's left there to work, have locked themselves in the building. OH!!!!! and get this
they park in the back of the building. To make it look like their not there. How sneaking.

Chase this guy they brought from California, lives with Mickey Madden, their so cheat they can't afford to put him in a hotel. The two of them look like the MOB QUAD!!!!!
Driving Around....

From: bob miller
E-Mail: Private
Subject: warranty

Are my windows warranted???

I cant get some one t call Back to Fix my screens,,,YYYy??

Why,,,Pay for warranty if its no Good??

I want my Money back,i payed to much,For a Warrant that is no Good....

Please,,,,Tell me if i can Get a Refund back on a No good warranty,,,,,,,

Sincerly,,,Crocked screens!!!

From: dd
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Former Employee

Has any former employee been contacted by a "company" called Tierra Portfolio Services and informed that they (the employee) owed money to Pacesetter? Just concerned. This company is out of Sioux Falls ,SD.
dd

From: Pacesetter Survivor
E-Mail: Private
Subject: Homeless ex Pacesetter Employee

Yeh, you are just the type of person that I would want in my house telling me that my house is "wowfully inadequate and in immediate need of attention". You would be just the one for the job. I guess Pacesetter was getting desparate! How could you tell someone who is a homeowner how to improve. When I was a kid, they called "homeless" "bums and tramps and hobos". You have no right critisizing. I guess Pacesetter was a step up for you, wasn't it? Pacesetter Sucks and that's it!